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Geography

Why did you restore last edit @Chariotrider555: for everything you want source, you cant get source for everything but you have to use your brains for geography sometimes. After seeing you restore this back "Historically, it bordered ancient regions of Bactria and Ariana to the north and Arachosia and Sattagydia to the south " It seems like your trying to make a connection between Arachosia and Gandhara as thats what I feel like when I clearly stated that Arachosia and Bactria bordered to the West of Gandhara bordering it from the South and north directions on its entire Western borders. Arachosia centered on the Helmand river or along with its tributary rivers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Helmandrivermap.png which is the longest river in Afghanistan completely different completely of a different river source, from to the Indus river in the Punjab Plains the Hindu Kush does not even extend further from the Kyber pass. Which makes Gandhara close to the Indus even extending towards Taxila. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:E280:3D48:133:C81F:610A:D406:E760 (talk) 04:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This line does not even make any sense just read it yourself, "Historically, it bordered ancient regions of Bactria and Ariana to the north and Arachosia and Sattagydia to the south" Ariana is just a Geographic term for a region of people between Central Asia and the Indus river used by the Romans or Greeks who ever added this does not have source for what he added and your keeping to that clearly Hindu Nationalist are trying to rewrite history and your keeping that, but ask source from others.

Save the Wikipedia from Hindutvaism. 2402:E280:3D48:133:C81F:610A:D406:E760 (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead should be shortened down majorly to avoid clutter

I think the lead should be shortened down majorly to avoid clutter, as as per wikis guidelines the lead should be short and give a brief intro into Gandhara and I think it should leave the history aspects for the history section and have it trasnferred Zenithxxx (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead discussion

Talk topic to discuss lead section. @Sutyarashi Zenithxxx (talk) 12:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current lead summarises all of the key historical points of Gandhara perfectly in not massive detail and is organised as a general summary -> Summary of Culture -> Summary of history paragraphs and after checking the difference in length between the original and the new lead, the original is only around 30+ words more than the new so I personally do not see the new lead which was reverted as a better version Zenithxxx (talk) 12:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, your version is not better at all. It is full of unnecessary details, verbosity ("The historical narrative of Gandhara commences", "garnered recognition", "renown for triumphing", "expansionary endeavors"), factoids of little historical value or even revisionism/ failing verification, like labelling Apracharajas as a Gandharan kingdom or ascribing Chanakya a Gandharan origin, all while citing poor quality sources. So you need to explain how it is better than the previous lede. I haven't gone through rest of article, but I don't expect it to be any better. WP:ONUS, WP:LEDE and WP:RS would be relevant policies in this regard for you. Sutyarashi (talk) 12:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the uneccesary details can be changed to more simple vocabulary which isn't a call for reverting the whole lead. Secondly the sources I have cited are all from credible historians from credible education departments for instance 'Ascribing Chankya as Gandharan origin all while citing poor quality sources' is untrue and a simple view of the author and the text would prove it. Thomas Trautman is not an unreliable author and has graduated from the University of Michigan and University of London in history all whilst also specialising in Indic history. Secondly the Aprcharajas were a Gandharan dynasty because that was where the dynasty was established and was centered.

Therefore Im going to revert it back but Ill take your points of unnecessary detail into consideration and apply them when I revert. Zenithxxx (talk) 13:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also my revert is 3rd revert now, so if you want to revert now lets discuss it on here what we can improve and what you disagree with, if not we can get a 3rd opinion and also go to the Dispute resoluation noticeboard Zenithxxx (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kattunen

First hit with DuckDuckGo. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]